Comments on: Vitamin E and C Do Not Prevent Cancer http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420 Your Daily Fix of Neuroscience, Skepticism, and Critical Thinking Tue, 07 Sep 2010 06:19:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: oderb http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7444 oderb Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:56:34 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7444 Jonny, Arrgggggh......to you.... Your family member is absolutely correct. 500 mg is not anywhere near a therapeutic dose. Once again conventional medicine discredits vitamin C by generalizing from an inadequate and non therapeutic dose and no one on this site questions whether much higher dosages - as high as 200 grams a day, such as used by Kenner and Cathcart among others produces dramatic therapeutic benefits. See http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0020307 Jonny,

Arrgggggh……to you….

Your family member is absolutely correct. 500 mg is not anywhere near a therapeutic dose. Once again conventional medicine discredits vitamin C by generalizing from an inadequate and non therapeutic dose and no one on this site questions whether much higher dosages – as high as 200 grams a day, such as used by Kenner and Cathcart among others produces dramatic therapeutic benefits.

See
http://medicine.plosjournals.org/perlserv/?request=get-document&doi=10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.0020307

]]> By: weing http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7329 weing Tue, 25 Nov 2008 14:07:53 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7329 Steve, Do you give injections or have them take B12 po? I usually give injections for deficiencies but have them take po for borderline and inject only if levels not rising. Steve,
Do you give injections or have them take B12 po? I usually give injections for deficiencies but have them take po for borderline and inject only if levels not rising.

]]> By: daedalus2u http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7321 daedalus2u Mon, 24 Nov 2008 21:30:20 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7321 howIhealed, be careful, lots of things can make you euphoric, just before they kill you. Solvent huffing and near asphyxiation make people euphoric too, but they also cause instant and irreversible damage. howIhealed, be careful, lots of things can make you euphoric, just before they kill you. Solvent huffing and near asphyxiation make people euphoric too, but they also cause instant and irreversible damage.

]]> By: Fifi http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7320 Fifi Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:16:44 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7320 HHC - I'd make a formal complaint to the hospital ethics committee regarding Juice Plus being promoted (if you feel so inclined, of course). It doesn't have to be a big deal, even writing a letter asking why the hospital is promoting Juice Plus with no follow up at least lets someone know that not everyone is okay with it and that it's been noticed that the hospital fitness centre has been engaging in unethical practices and promoting pseudoscience. Juice Plus targets nurses as distributors, their agenda is very much to get into hospitals and associate themselves with the medical establishment (while also decrying it) in any way possible. HHC – I’d make a formal complaint to the hospital ethics committee regarding Juice Plus being promoted (if you feel so inclined, of course). It doesn’t have to be a big deal, even writing a letter asking why the hospital is promoting Juice Plus with no follow up at least lets someone know that not everyone is okay with it and that it’s been noticed that the hospital fitness centre has been engaging in unethical practices and promoting pseudoscience.

Juice Plus targets nurses as distributors, their agenda is very much to get into hospitals and associate themselves with the medical establishment (while also decrying it) in any way possible.

]]> By: Fifi http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7319 Fifi Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:07:52 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7319 HHC - JuicePlus are a quite well documented scam and source of pseudoscience - particularly regarding cancer. They finance www.beatcancer.org and attack science-based medicine under the guise of being an impartial, non-profit when they're directly linked to and lobbying for Juice Plus. They're also a key source of lies regarding nutrition, promoting the idea that healthy food just isn't nutritious enough. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to find out they are involved in promoting these ideas within the autism and antivax communities as well. HHC – JuicePlus are a quite well documented scam and source of pseudoscience – particularly regarding cancer. They finance http://www.beatcancer.org and attack science-based medicine under the guise of being an impartial, non-profit when they’re directly linked to and lobbying for Juice Plus. They’re also a key source of lies regarding nutrition, promoting the idea that healthy food just isn’t nutritious enough. I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised to find out they are involved in promoting these ideas within the autism and antivax communities as well.

]]> By: jonny_eh http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7313 jonny_eh Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:56:28 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7313 I just brought this study to the intention of a family member who takes large amounts of vitamins and herbal drugs, and he just shrugged it off and said "Of course it didn't show anything, 500mg isn't nearly enough!" Arrggh, how do I respond to that? I just brought this study to the intention of a family member who takes large amounts of vitamins and herbal drugs, and he just shrugged it off and said “Of course it didn’t show anything, 500mg isn’t nearly enough!”

Arrggh, how do I respond to that?

]]> By: howihealed http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7241 howihealed Thu, 20 Nov 2008 06:33:47 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7241 I normally would agree that simple vitamins wouldn't prevent cancer or other diseases except for my own personal experience. I tested deficient for Vitamin D and I took high dose D3 Supplements and ended up euphoric for like 30 minutes on three separate occasions. I was definitely in need and Vitamin D3 still helps me. I generally don't think large scale studies are the most reliable way to measure truths.. I usually prefer anecdotal evidence to be honest. I also have calmed down a ton thanks to high dose B Vitamins. I'm very grateful. Although I am not sure whether they prevent cancer but they probably prevent many stress related disease . Steve I normally would agree that simple vitamins wouldn’t prevent cancer or other diseases except for my own personal experience.

I tested deficient for Vitamin D and I took high dose D3 Supplements and ended up euphoric for like 30 minutes on three separate occasions. I was definitely in need and Vitamin D3 still helps me. I generally don’t think large scale studies are the most reliable way to measure truths.. I usually prefer anecdotal evidence to be honest.

I also have calmed down a ton thanks to high dose B Vitamins. I’m very grateful. Although I am not sure whether they prevent cancer but they probably prevent many stress related disease .

Steve

]]> By: halincoh http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7237 halincoh Thu, 20 Nov 2008 02:06:09 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7237 Sorry Steve, I never meant to imply that you wouldn't. I merely added that parenthetical clause to emphasize that though there are indeed clinical scenarios when physicians do treat with vitamins, vitamins ( especially megadoses ) for the sake of taking them without a clinical indication is not one of those scenarios. Sorry Steve, I never meant to imply that you wouldn’t. I merely added that parenthetical clause to emphasize that though there are indeed clinical scenarios when physicians do treat with vitamins, vitamins ( especially megadoses ) for the sake of taking them without a clinical indication is not one of those scenarios.

]]> By: HHC http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7229 HHC Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:45:30 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7229 Recently, I was bombarded with drastic medical documentation of heart disease and lack of proper vitamin consumption at the local hospital fitness center. Juiceplus was the company which was handing out dvds, using nursing staff to promote their vitamins. This company claims that if you swallow their pillls after meals you will prevent clogging and closure of the arteries from the bad cholesterol immediately. The nursing staff stated that women who expect to have a healthy pregnancy would be advised to take this product too. Juiceplus has a nationally known southern physician who declares his vitamin beliefs stridently on the dvd. I was offered an appointment with the nurse to further discuss my needs and purchase my monthly supply for around $70.00. I am glad I resisted this easy-fix temptation for my cholesterol levels. I guess I will have to have my Happy meals without a pill. Recently, I was bombarded with drastic medical documentation of
heart disease and lack of proper vitamin consumption at the local
hospital fitness center. Juiceplus was the company which was handing out dvds, using nursing staff to promote their vitamins.
This company claims that if you swallow their pillls after meals you will prevent clogging and closure of the arteries from the bad cholesterol immediately. The nursing staff stated that women who expect to have a healthy pregnancy would be advised to take this product too. Juiceplus has a nationally known southern physician who declares his vitamin beliefs stridently on the dvd. I was offered an appointment with the nurse to further discuss my needs and purchase my monthly supply for around $70.00. I am glad I resisted this easy-fix temptation for my cholesterol levels. I guess I will have to have my Happy meals without a pill.

]]> By: Steven Novella http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420&cpage=1#comment-7228 Steven Novella Wed, 19 Nov 2008 14:36:29 +0000 http://www.theness.com/neurologicablog/?p=420#comment-7228 You can check vitamin levels with a simple blood test. I do this every day, and I too treat even borderline deficiencies. B12 in older patients is probably the most common, and has wide ranging neurological implications - so I never miss an opportunity to treat even relative B12 deficiency. You can check vitamin levels with a simple blood test. I do this every day, and I too treat even borderline deficiencies. B12 in older patients is probably the most common, and has wide ranging neurological implications – so I never miss an opportunity to treat even relative B12 deficiency.

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